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majoho · May 27, 2010, 03:28 AM // 03:28

By own I mean access to get into the game.

TheRaven · May 27, 2010, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Good to login tonight and see this news. I'd gotten really frustrated with the game and walked away from it. It was just sickening to see all the botters get rich while those of us that played legitimately be unable to compete.

I'm glad something was finally done. Good job A-net.

vamp08 · May 27, 2010, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Travaail

the difference here is that the access to WoW is a service which you continuously pay for which can be denied but in guild wars the access is a single purchase which defines it as sole property of the purchaser. whereas the game itself belongs to the company who makes it.

and in fact you do own your "account" so to speak but nothing actually ON the account. since the game key is defined as the point of access for a non pay to play game such as guild wars instead of a pay to access game. so under various countries law they cannot ban but could quite legitimately delete everything on the account while its on temporary ban and then give access back. it all depends on the country involved.

Im not legal buff so I dont know, but i'm almost positive Anet did some tanking to cover their ass on this.

While in-turn nobody denied you acess to the game, they just denied you service to their servers....which happens to be where your avatar is.

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by majoho

If you have any kind of point with your post I suggest you provide a link to a won case surely there must be one...

or are you just trolling?

What you just asked is what my post was asking you.
But since you brought it up a quick search through google news yielded this http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-20004004-36.html

jonnieboi05 · May 27, 2010, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Travaail

i will point out for those interested: in certain countries such as the netherlands and the UK they can not legally permanently ban you do to various parts of the intellectual property laws...so i suggest pointing that out to support unless they wish to be in violation of laws. in the US i will point out that this is a viable (and has successfully litigated precedents) cause for a law suit because the game is essentially the purchase of a right to access a product and as the game is not a "pay to play" game there is no "service' according to US law which can be legally terminated. the "access" to guildwars is a solely owned (by the game purchaser) property whereas the game itself belongs to anet or whoever has the intellectual property rights..which means that termination of access is a violation of intellectual property laws..anyone who actually cares enough i would suggest contacting an intellectual property law firm. In these situations citing precedent is usually enough.

now i will say that i do not support botting or violating EULA, but only pointing out the loopholes that currently exist in IP law. (or in the case of the netherlands and UK firm laws protecting consumer rights) i'm sure arena net would highly disagree with the ideas i suggested but..the law is the law whether or not it is a just law is another story.
and yes sadly this would mean that no one could be "legally banned" in certain countries but the opinion of those nation's governing bodies was that a "lawfully and rightfully obtained product cannot be legally denied to the consumer unless in violation of law" and if the product itself was access not ownership of the game then denying access regardless of a EULA that only regards the gameplay and not the access is not lawful..

something to think about~ and if interested in possible legal recourse i suggest googling class action intellectual property rights.

Maybe you should read this:

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Originally Posted by Guild Wars User Agreement; Section 15

15. GENERAL PROVISIONS

This Agreement is governed by and shall be construed and enforced under the laws of The State of Texas, without applying any conflicts of law principles which would require application of the law of any other jurisdiction. NC Interactive and you each hereby irrevocably consent to the jurisdiction of the courts of the State of Texas for all purposes in connection with any action or proceeding which arises out of or relates to this Agreement and agree that any action or proceeding instituted under this Agreement shall be brought only in the state courts of Travis County, State of Texas.

wind fire and ice · May 27, 2010, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Maybe you should read this:

Texas,the only place in the world with an intelligent legal system.

Hellick Stoner · May 27, 2010, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

^would that be because you've never actually seen one of those cases, so by extension, you have also not seen anyone lose one of those cases?

Plenty of those cases are open now; many more have been settled. Don't believe it, ask Blizzard; or better yet Shanda Interactive Entertainment Limited who just payed a man who bought ingame items (like the perks we buy from the NCsoft store) which later were removed from his account. He Won! There are many more. Eula agreement is as good as the attorney argueing it!

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Maybe you should read this:

Lost the thing you quoted, if anyone would like to refer to it, scroll up please.
My question would be if in your state or national consumer laws do not view a EULA as legally binding, would you then not be bound by that clause since you are not bound to the EULA in any form?
Perhaps we should encourage a consumer advocacy group to join this discussion. Encourage them rapidly as I'm sure the posts discussing whether EULAs are or are not legally binding will rapidly be mod-deleted for not being in the best interests of NC.

Hellick Stoner · May 27, 2010, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Already being deleted! I started a thread entitled: " legal action for accounts banned" 30 min later it was delted.

wind fire and ice · May 27, 2010, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

Already being deleted! I started a thread entitled: " legal action for accounts banned" 30 min later it was delted.

Because all discussion on the matter of the bans today is to be discussed here.

ightgg · May 27, 2010, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

As some of you may have already heard, we banned more than 3,700 accounts today. Those banned were positively identified as botters or players engaged in PvP match manipulation. We also disbanded whole guilds that were involved in these activities.

We saw the threads about your concerns with botting over the past couple months. We weren’t ignoring you, but we couldn't talk about what we were doing beforehand, as we didn’t want to tip our hand and inadvertently alert the botters to our plans. We take this issue very seriously and will continue to hunt for botters and cheaters of all sorts. There are consequences if you engage in botting or match manipulation.

Our Design Director, James Phinney, has provided more information about the bans and about our plans for continuing to pursue those involved in exploiting in his most recent blog post. Head over here to check it out.

This post was full of ignorance. Alert the botters to your plans? The only reason bots were able to thrive is due to Anet having NO RESPONSE to the original threat alerted to them. Even if they knew you would ban them it wouldnt have changed anything. You banned players who botted 1 time when the bots were first invented. Alerting them wouldnt have changed the past, i think anets calendar is off. How can Anet claim they were working on this when months and months have gone by when all they had to do was scan for a few dll injections? I cant believe anyone on gwguru actually believes Anet can be the goodguy here. They let bots run free and to kill the player base only to perma ban whoever was left. Do they really think anyones coming back for gw2? They just threw lets say $50 per gw2 game x 3000 players? They are screwed. Dead game is dead. Not to mention all the people who didnt get banned or didnt log in and were planning to play gw2 with all their friends. Now thats done too, lets count at least another 1000 accounts. So now we have 4000 accounts not being purchased, and we can also forsee that players wont wanna play a game overrun with bots and terrible decisions. Anet never claimed they fixed the botting issue, only that they banned the people they saw doing it. BOTTING HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. The lack of forethough anet is present is astounding for a player of 5 years to witness. I bet the Dhuum animation was the hardest part of all this. Its not like Anet really cared about gw1, but its nice to see them beat a dead horse until there is nothing left.
Peace out dead game

Hellick Stoner · May 27, 2010, 03:58 AM // 03:58

If Anet wanted to do anything about the botting they could sue the maker of the bots.. Blizzard has successful done it; but no they are banning accounts because someone reported you. it hearsay! Anet is hoping everyone banned will buy another account. more money in thier pocket. wasn't to long ago with another jap gaming company's president was sentenced to 5 years for having a business in selling thier own ingame gold and then banning accounts..

majoho · May 27, 2010, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

no they are banning accounts because someone reported you.

They aren't banning any accounts just because they got reported.

Also technically those making the bots aren't doing anything wrong, the people using them are.

wind fire and ice · May 27, 2010, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

If Anet wanted to do anything about the botting they could sue the maker of the bots.. Blizzard has successful done it; but no they are banning accounts because someone reported you. it hearsay! Anet is hoping everyone banned will buy another account. more money in thier pocket. wasn't to long ago with another jap gaming company's president was sentenced to 5 years for have a business in selling thier own ingame gold and then banning accounts..

Lets be fair,GW isn't near big enough for them to put so much effort into stopping bots in it from the source.

Be happy they're doing something,if people really get checked out every time they're reported this will cut the bots out pretty steadily(and after a while hopefully eliminate them completely).

Also,the community would have to wait MUCH longer for any thing to change if that happened.

And if they did that they would still ban the people who already had the programs,so it would be no different for the people who are banned.

Sorry you got banned,but bad arguments are bad and you need to go get a beer and realize you're an idiot.

Acumen · May 27, 2010, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

Peace out dead game

What percentage of active accounts do you really think this is? Even if it's 1%, that's a whole lot of active players.

Guild Wars is ranked #14 on Xfire with 3500 users playing it a day, ahead of some games you may have heard of: Team Fortress 2, Eve Online, Diablo 2, and Runescape. Guild Wars is one of the most played online games.

Davros Uitar · May 27, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Hardly a surprise your thread got deleted Hellick.

So far I have seen you protesting innocence, and threatening law suits. If your innocence is real then the "send support ticket" approach will win teh day. The fact that you want to go on and on about class actions makes it look like you doubt you can win with teh innocence approach.

Sirius Bsns · May 27, 2010, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Genius. ...sheer genius! LOL What better way to lure and punish botters than to buff all the interrupt spells and draw them into such a grand spankin' bot-trap? <333

That's what I call using your noodle, Anet! Maaaaad props!

Acumen · May 27, 2010, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

I wonder what Anets servers would do if 3700 people actually logged in everyday. This might be the worst thing Anet has ever done. They think they can stop bots? They are gonna get f**ked on gw2 release. Its gonna be more dead than Aion.

Aion is even more popular than Guild Wars, 8th on Xfire. I know these numbers aren't absolute, but do you have anything other than guessing to back your statements that no one plays Guild Wars up?

Nerel · May 27, 2010, 04:14 AM // 04:14

There is no IP law that will prevent you from being banned in Guild Wars, the cases you cite are regarding the ownership of virtual property or items... which doesn't apply to Guild Wars where you DON'T own any virtual items or property, Anet does, they merely let you use them. Don't even mention the costumes

Edit: Oh, and Xfire is a bad metric by which to measure the user base of games, some game types and genres just don't attract people who have even heard of Xfire... the only thing Xfire measures is the amount of Xfire users playing certain games whilst running their bug ridden software... and really, who gives a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about Xfire users (apart from Regina).

As for 3700 (or how ever many) accounts being banned, I'm willing to bet that the number of players who suffered a band was much, much lower... most likely less than 1500, botters tend to like running multiple accounts and all that...

ightgg · May 27, 2010, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Acumen

Aion is even more popular than Guild Wars, 8th on Xfire. I know these numbers aren't absolute, but do you have anything other than guessing to back your statements that no one plays Guild Wars up?

Ive played gw since beta and have seen what it "was". Guildwars 2 weeks ago was empty. The only reason anyone logged on today was to see if they were banned or not, no other reason. Pvp has been dead even before Bots. Pve was dead before perma sin. Who can even joke and say this game has playerbase? Aion has terrible playerbase as well but only because its full or grind and is boring beyond recognition as entertainment. I think ill stick to private servers where at least players log on to have fun not throw money at a terrible company. Anet fix your mistakes before guildwars2 or i promise you it will flop.